- Actually, crowds also get baited into protests with the pretext that they will get paid. It was the same in 2013 – many protesters were interviewed and said they came because they were paid or promised payment. The same happened in 2022 in Kazakhstan, where people received SMS messages reading: "Everyone who joins the protest will be paid X amount". Also, groups were organized on WhatsApp that gave out instructions, etc.
- In georgia there were youtubers asking questions to protesters, they had no clue what the protests were about, didn't know what the english words on the banners they were handed was saying. Didn't heard one saying explicitly he was paid but it was obvious.
That NGO money isn't spent exclusively on expensive restaurants.
- Someone check the Hotel Ukraina (If you understand this, good job)
- On February 20th, 2014, over 100 protesters were killed by several sniper/spotter teams during the Euromaidan protests. The official investigation and narrative concerning this event is that Yanukovych ordered Berkut to fire on the protesters.
This, however, contrasts with the enormous amount of video footage and witness testimony that confirms that the snipers were shooting from the Hotel Ukraina and the Tchaikovsky Academy of Music, two buildings that were under control of the protesters. The Hotel Ukraina is where most of the sniper fire came from and the building that was under the control of Far-Right Ultra-Nationalist organization 'Right Sector.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flztD56UcYk&t=48s
The "Musicians" the other commenter is referring to is from the footage of Far-Right 'Right Sector' men marching off a bus into the protests with guitar cases and suitcases. When asked what they were there for, they replied "We're Musicians." These same men are on camera shooting at police later, as well as entering the Hotel Ukraina shortly before the shooting started.
This, however, contrasts with the enormous amount of video footage and witness testimony that confirms that the snipers were shooting from the Hotel Ukraina and the Tchaikovsky Academy of Music, two buildings that were under control of the protesters. The Hotel Ukraina is where most of the sniper fire came from and the building that was under the control of Far-Right Ultra-Nationalist organization 'Right Sector.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flztD56UcYk&t=48s
The "Musicians" the other commenter is referring to is from the footage of Far-Right 'Right Sector' men marching off a bus into the protests with guitar cases and suitcases. When asked what they were there for, they replied "We're Musicians." These same men are on camera shooting at police later, as well as entering the Hotel Ukraina shortly before the shooting started.
- These protestors are not organic. They're just like 2014. Textbook cia operation. This is all to pressure zelensky. He's in a very bad position now. it isn't actually organised by Ukrainians and nor for the cause claimed. I mean that it is spawned by foriegn intelligence. If these protests were real. They'd have protested so much earlier for way worse stuff.
- For me it’s very suspicious that literally all pro Ukraine accounts and pro Ukraine media both in Ukraine and in the west immediately went against this . Suddenly western media is printing anti Zelensky articles while he was literally Jesus for 3,5 years . Does seem suspicious.
Something is definitely going on.
Also these protesters seem to be the "civic society " aka the ngo elite class of people largely untouched by the actual war fighting , probably also those regularly polled to keep the war going.
Something is definitely going on.
Also these protesters seem to be the "civic society " aka the ngo elite class of people largely untouched by the actual war fighting , probably also those regularly polled to keep the war going.
- There is absolutely nothing organic about this protest. Someone has to organize those protests. It could be a coincidence, of course, and some group in Ukraine already planned a protest, and this bill was a straw that broke camel' back; but it's highly unlikely. Because Ukrainians are no hive-mind. Hundreds of people don't get a sudden thought "well NOW it's time to protest" after years of mismanagement and strategic defeats.
- Perhaps a dumb question but what has stopped Russia from sending an Iskander to Zelensky's office?
- First is just international norms. You don't target leadership unless you want to be targeted yourself.
Secondly, yes, Ukraine already does target Putin. But he gave his word to Naftali Bennett that he would not target decision makers and he is sticking to it.
Third, Zelensky can be thought of as almost an asset to Russia. Western pysops spent so much money and energy on making Zelensky into Churchill. Removing him from the picture for the western powers would just be doing them a favor. They would quickly silence this protest movement and move to re-canonize Zelensky as a heroic martyr. Much better from a Russian perspective to make them quarrel and agonize over it, sowing division internally.
Secondly, yes, Ukraine already does target Putin. But he gave his word to Naftali Bennett that he would not target decision makers and he is sticking to it.
Third, Zelensky can be thought of as almost an asset to Russia. Western pysops spent so much money and energy on making Zelensky into Churchill. Removing him from the picture for the western powers would just be doing them a favor. They would quickly silence this protest movement and move to re-canonize Zelensky as a heroic martyr. Much better from a Russian perspective to make them quarrel and agonize over it, sowing division internally.
- The anti corruption stuff was getting too close to zelensky but he would never dare get rid of it without American approval
Trump gave him the approval, eu didn't consent but as usual they're a non factor. That's why you had radio silence from the us gov and us media while eu goverments and media was already talking about it
Then as soon as he signed it, the us turned on him. Just as planned, to pressure him. These protests are not organic. They're just like 2014. CIA doing cia stuff. Ukrianian gov did way worse stuff than should have triggered protests but nope. Combine that w what was said in the ukrainian national guard, it is all too clear. Z boy got played the same way saddam was played.
We will see what's next, but I have a feeling it's gonna end up as a nothing burger and get patched behind closed doors. I am usually not w the nothing ever happens crowd but rn I feel it's way too good to be true
Trump gave him the approval, eu didn't consent but as usual they're a non factor. That's why you had radio silence from the us gov and us media while eu goverments and media was already talking about it
Then as soon as he signed it, the us turned on him. Just as planned, to pressure him. These protests are not organic. They're just like 2014. CIA doing cia stuff. Ukrianian gov did way worse stuff than should have triggered protests but nope. Combine that w what was said in the ukrainian national guard, it is all too clear. Z boy got played the same way saddam was played.
We will see what's next, but I have a feeling it's gonna end up as a nothing burger and get patched behind closed doors. I am usually not w the nothing ever happens crowd but rn I feel it's way too good to be true
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